This may come to a surprise but you have NOT been getting your full credit for your Joe Bucks sales and 2 tier referrals. I have been referring people to Joe Bucks for monthes and just realized that my affiliate links were getting hijacked and changed to a different affiliate ID number. I thought it was just me so I spent the last few days researching this. Affiliate ID#680256 has been getting most of the sales and 2 tier referrals from everybody’s sites. Everybody !- Check it for yourself. Click your own Joe Bucks link, then click “View the 50 sites to Promote” and then start clicking away at all the sites. On each, look for the “Ref Code” - about half will change from your ID to 680256. This also happens if you directly link to the products, especially the skin care line. I believe this affiliate is a friend or relative of the webmaster over there but I am sure when you contact them about this, they will just tell you it was just a “glitch” - If you do not have an account, just click on other peoples to see the ID change for yourself. Maybe you do not promote them directly, but you should not let people sign up for this now that you know this. You should post this on the front page of your site so all of your loyal followers can check if this is happening to them. I know you may not want to do that because it may look bad for the affiliate business, but in the end they will know they can trust your site for updates on things like this that help us all. The majority of the referrals you gave to that program are under affiliate #680256.

I checked that now and it also happens to my affiliate site from Joe Bucks. The ID is changed for only one product, but this is unbelievable. I’ll contact them to see what answer I’ll get.

@Simonne, please let us know if you get any answer from Joe Bucks affiliate program team.

If they are cheating us (members) then that must be announced all over internet. It’s not fair at all!! I am shocked

I wrote them last night. You can be sure that I’ll let you know what answer I get. If they don’t fix it, I’m going to post that in all internet marketing forums, so everybody knows.

I’m pretty sure they cheat, because I still got no answer. I believe the problem was serious enough to be worth a few words. So, let’s spread the word!

Hello, i have the same problem. I moved all my links to GENBUCKS, and the amount im making have actually doubled. I recon ive lost over 20k promoting these clowns

wtf!!! i just checked it and yes 4 of them changed to the id sais, this is fuckin cheat! i am changing my links to someone more honest

guys do you know any program with similiar products and convert well?

pd, can u help me with more info on genbucks??

I too have noticed this, the only reply ever received from multiple emails to joe bucks has been “clear you’re cookies”, How does a cookie from joebucks get onto a new computer connected to the internet before? Ask Joe bucks they seem to think cookies travel with you whichever computer you use. So the affiliate ID is sometimes not yours to credit, really big scam this - either somebody in affiliate management manipulating the system or some affiliate has got a super script to cheat their system.

well i dumped them a month ago and happy i did.i am doing both genbucks and moreniche and doing much more than before and i didnt do anything but change links so can joebucks tell me how its possible they wernt shaving my orders off?

OMG!! I’m so glad I cam across this site. I have e-mailed them and called them about 7 times regarding this same problem. I finally got a guy named Gary at ext305 800-756-3499 .I fought with him big time. He gave me the same run around about cookies. I even went on my friends computer and 50% of the MANAGE WEIGHT LOSS id’s were not mine. I have got one more check coming to me and I’m done with them. I have already tried finding a new program to promote. I just looked into GENBUCKS. “louislaredo@yahoo.com” is my e-mail so i can see your sites for ideas. I’m open to anything new and legit. I was wondering why my sales sucked so bad with JOEBUCKS. I knew I was right. Everything I found on them seemed legit but now I know somethings up. Louis

i tried and it is true that Joebucks replaces the affiliate id with their own id 680256. I know this is Joebucks own ID because it shows up when you go direct to their website http://www.ultraherbal.com/

Thanks for forewarning your readers. That shows a lot of class.

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I’ve been noticing the same trend and also tried speaking with “Gary” on the same matter. Recently, I’ve compared the number of vistors that Joebucks.com, or now known as markethealth.com, reported and ones from my own tracking. It is true, they only report a little over what I actually send them. When I tried discussing this topic with “Gary” on AIM (SN: garymarkethealth), he stated the same thing about the cookies and how I need to send more customers. Overall, Markethealth.com is not an honest company.

Email info at markethealth.com

Computer tracking involves implementing code your self CORRECTLY

If you are not an experienced developer, then you probably are setting up your code tracking to be inconsistent, and your own tests are flawed.

I had a problem with my tracking and info at markethealth.com showed me that i was trying to set too many cookies and the browsers were just blocking them.

You’re probably inplementing your code inccoreclty

Yeah, sure Gary, oh sorry I mean “A-Man” - What a load of bull**** you come out with - Your tracking code is simple - a five year old could implement it easily and CORRECTLY.

And I am experienced, I have been in the affiliate game for 6 years, and one thing is for sure. JoeBucks (MarketHealth) cheats it’s affiliates. You can use the cookies excuse until the cows come home, nobodies buying it. Come up with a new one.

How you are not being investigated by the BBB is beyond me.

I saw Gary at the recent convention. He’s a jerk. When I got home, I deleted my membership with them. Once I talked to him ,I knew he was a scam. He and his buddy acted like cocky bastards. You know they type…. Very ignorant. I knew all about the problems and knew I would never stay long with them. I joined another company and replaced my links with them and now I’m so glad I dumped JoeBucks.com & MarketHealth.com. You can pull the wool over the affiliates eyes for only so long until it comes back and bites you in the ass. Leaving their booth, I had the urge to spit in his face. I really was upset that he turned out to be an idiot. My advice is to NOT join MarketHealth.com Tom

Keep off from them, thre big cheaters and liars. I had about 5000 impressions 133 clicks and no sales.. Ridiculous

I did some research on this issue for a post I wrote about Market Health/Joe Bucks. If you use the HerbalBiz.com turnkey sites, they try to set third party cookies for the products advertised on the site. The cookies contain your affiliate ID. So if your site is at myherbalstore.com, for instance, when the store shows a product that the customer will buy from someproduct.com, your site at myherbalstore.com attempts to set a cookie on .someproduct.com domain containing your affiliate ID. The cookie can then be read by someproduct.com when the user clicks through to make a purchase. However, depending on the browser settings, writing a cookie in this fashion may not be permitted. For example, Safari’s default settings will not allow this. In this case, the cookie will not exist when the user navigates to the product site, in which case that default affiliate ID is written in a cookie once you reach the site (where your browser will now allow a cookie to be dropped). It is a bad implementation on the part of HerbalBiz who supplies these turnkey sites.

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OMG, i’ll think twice to continue working with Markethealth, the referal code change to 680256 when i want to download their template,

what happen with them????

Very interesting comments here.. Maybe this is why I havent made any sales with them yet? This is the first I’ve heard of this. I had heard good things about them and they seemed to have a lot of quality products… It doesnt make sense to scam your affiliates though in the long run - as I never continue promoting a product that doesnt give me a decent return.

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i am sorry that so many people have had such bad experiences with joebucks/markethealth but i have been with them for two years and i am quite happy with them. i use 4 herbal programs joebucks,genbucks,worldniche and leadingedge and i am happy with all of them. each have their own advantages and disadvantages. and i did check about the cookie issue but found everything ok with my sites.and gary has been pretty helpful for me.maybe its just some bad luck and some misunderstandings but overall markethealth has been pretty good and consistent for me

I have been trying to find a way to cancel my account with them. They do not provide a way to cancel the account. I even have an account with herbalbiz.com. I’m having trouble getting it canceled to. They stole my domain name by setting it up so I cannot access it to move it somewhere else. DO NOT DO BUSINESS WITH JOEBUCKS OR HERBALBIZ.

I’ve been involved with online marketing for 9 years and I NEVER have seen so many complaints about 1 affiliate program. It shows you that they’re very dishonest. I personally joined Markethealth.com under my business name and was excited at first. I had 18,200 unique clicks and only 4 sales!!!!!! I then replaced my links from Markethealth to another company from Shareasale and I ended up earning $2,349.00!!! That shows me and all that MarketHealth and Gary McNelley ARE scams!!!!!!

Well why am I not suprised, this explains all that pathetic conversions I was getting, well Any suggestions on which program to join, heard genbucks is a decent outfit, however they only have epass as a payment option & wires if you exceed $1000.00 … well wouldn’t mind it if they dont shave me like these rogues. help me with some suggestions guys?

That’s explain why all the poor conversions. 897 clicks with ZERO sales! After reading things on this page, I switched the affiliate link to another merchant and within 2 weeks, received 8 sales! I didn’t do anything new to my site, only switched the links! Can’t imagine how much sales I have lost previously. SHIT!

I emailed them asking them to clarify this and as expected, received no reply.

All should stay away from this JoeBucks (MarketHealth.com) as far as you can!

Wow, glad I came across this site. I was looking at MarketHealth video at youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_6fLFwtNZ8

and almost sign up with them.

Seemed like they :

1. Hijack your affiliate
2. delete your sub-affiliate
3. take over control domain names from you even when you have already paid for it

I also read about one complaint at rip of report website about them not paying for re-curring sales too.

What else will they do to you? They are really giving affiliate marketing a bad name! What is happening with them?

Well… I just replaced all of my MarketHealth.com links to another company. It’s been 1 day and I already sold 9 bottles of another companies hoodia products. It goes to show ya that MarketHealth.com is a scam!!! I had 2,100 unique clicks and no sales. I changed my links over and all I got was 345 uniques and 2 large orders already from my new program I decided to promote. Theirs the proof. MARKETHEALTH.COM is a scam. People like GARY MCNELLEY give affiliate marketing a bad name. I was shocked because a good friend of mine was earning $3000.00 per month with them and he too told me he went down to just 2-3 sales per month recently. What does that mean? They must be doing a a scam on pourpouse. I’m saddened.

thanks for the info. I did sign up with them a few months back, but never got anything. theur progs are crappy anyways,